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our interview with john o'neill so let's

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talk about the um

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the war in ukraine um i've been covering

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it for the show i also have a personal

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connection my wife's uh mother and

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grandmother are live in kiev so we we've

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been living it pretty personally here uh

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every day fortunately things are looking

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a little bit better but

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one thing i've been intrigued by that we

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haven't heard as much about of late but

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we heard about a lot of the outset

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was these bio

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labs

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in ukraine

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that are supposedly old soviet labs that

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the u.s has some relationship to has

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funding or

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or what have you

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so tell me what you know about these

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labs all right you need to understand um

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sort of first where they came from

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uh joseph stalin began what are called

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literary killings literary killings were

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liquidations that looked like people

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were dying naturally he used anthrax and

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so like in our book pavlova died of

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pneumonia but it wasn't pneumonia it was

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anthrax and he killed a lot of people

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exactly like that

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well having killed people like that he

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decided to go on a big scale and he

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started bio-weapons laboratories in a

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number of locations one of them was in

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kiev uh another the big ones were in

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saratov and the soviet union and out in

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the urals and one

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poison lab in moscow itself called lab

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1939 almost killed stalin stalin called

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the guy in from ceratop he was at the

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hotel in moscow

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and he started coughing and so they

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brought a doctor and the doctor said my

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god you've got mnemonic plague we

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haven't seen demonic plague in moscow in

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and so they

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isolated him the people in contact with

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him all died

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and they closed the hotel down claimed

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it was a plumbing failure but it came

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with an hour or two of wiping out the

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whole leadership of the soviet union

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that was the first big league in 1972

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in kiev the city that your friends are

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a bio lab operated by the soviet union

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by a war lab leaked into the sanitary

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water system

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into the rats and the sanitary water

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system leaked anthrax and produced a

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form of anthrax called anthrax 638

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through mutation which is uh is still

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used by the soviet union

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there was a disaster a genuine disaster

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a a plume of anthrax

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went a long way killed at least a

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thousand people

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the soviets at that time claimed it was

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due to tainted meat in a meat market

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they shot dogs and tried to butcher but

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it was an anthrax league at the same

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time there was a leak in china in 1977

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talking about for just a second about

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the ukraine because it's a terrible

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false flag story

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what really happened is when the soviet

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union collapsed

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the united states went in and provided

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money to both the both the ukraine and

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the soviet union to clean up these

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terrible bio-war labs and get rid of the

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contents of them understand

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they have smallpox

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the only smallpox on earth is in a

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soviet lab in a chinese lab they have

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other terrible deals so getting rid of

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them is no small

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item in the ukraine that's exactly what

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they did

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and they took the bio war labs that they

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had and turned them into bio labs now

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gym biolabs are a great thing that's

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where when when somebody takes your

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blood they analyze it there are 40 000

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bio labs in the united states what we

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don't have are bioware labs

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and so the biolabs in kiev and other

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places were all converted

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normal biolabs used by pharmaceutical

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companies and used for testing

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he took the money we were giving to

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clean them up and devoted it to buy

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weapons and so he re-energized their

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entire bioweapons program

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there's a good book by a man named

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kenneth albrecht a defector who tells

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you the story of this

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and the soviet union uh russia has the

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largest bioweapons program on earth

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right now china is number two they have

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14 bio weapons labs

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putin bragged in 2012 in the

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presidential debate about his bio

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weapons and he shut off all the

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inspections required

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under a treaty that everyone in the

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world signed in 1972

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and that's why people in the ukraine are

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afraid as they genuinely should be

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about the possibility of his use of

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chemical and biological war

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in miracle the marines have claimed as

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you know that the that the russians are

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when did the u.s stop funding um the

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cleanup of the labs in russia i'm

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curious as soon as we learned that the

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money had been diverted

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2001.

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what happened is the guy that was

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supposedly in charge of the cleanup

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he became exposed it was a big article

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in the wall street journal and so putin

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announced he was firing him

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yes he fired him from being in charge of

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the cleanup and he placed him in charge

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of the entire pharmaceutical industry of

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russia that was how he was fired

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and he's still there right now uh you

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can look all about him he lives

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interestingly in czar village

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tsar village which is an interesting

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place isn't it for a for an official to

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you know after the invasion and there

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was testimony and i forget the name of

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the woman you probably know who i'm

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talking about who said something to the

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effect of

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my god we got to protect these labs and

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make sure that putin doesn't get these

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labs but but

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why were we still concerned about labs

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in 2022 well it wasn't so much putin

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integrity of the lab being opened up

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if i'm if i have a lab and i'm testing

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what types of covets you have

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a plague which is a disease that

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actually exists in in the you know in

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the eastern ukraine or other diseases i

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have samples in my lab of those if

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somebody goes and blows up the lab those

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samples are everywhere that's true of a

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normal lab uh and not not simply a a

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bio-weapons lab and so i think in a very

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inarticulate way she was expressing hey

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we don't want to have these labs all

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blown up

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okay so just to be clear these labs and

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singular was it just kiev or was there

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others as far as the former soviet

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weapons labs

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that i can't i can tell you for sure

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there was a soviet weapons lab in kiev

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when the soviet union dissolved because

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in that lab is famous

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soviet bioweapons labs in the ukraine

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lab was cleaned up

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in the sense of the bio weapons were

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somehow removed and no longer a concern

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time that the ukraine was surrendering

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all of its atomic the ukraine was had

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nuclear weapons on earth in at the time

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of the breakup and of course the ukraine

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in exchange for guarantees of its

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territorial integrity gave up all of its

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funding anything going on with bio labs

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all kinds of pharmaceutical experiments

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not aware of what they are

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anything that our problem is not

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weaponizing anything our problem is

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what about this theory that gain of

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function research that's so

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controversial now because allegedly was

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denied it or what have you

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if we take it in terms of the i'll call

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it a proton hook that's involved in

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people in labs develop

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ways of making viruses much more

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leak that all sounds great

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lab at wuhan

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in 2015 we outlawed all gain of function

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using a tool called the crispr tool

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um

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having said that i don't think that that

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was involved directly in the leak of the

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coven 19 virus

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i do think that the covet 19 virus

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leaked from wuhan from the military lab

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at wuhan

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um but i don't think our money was

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responsible for that happening

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well let's go ahead and stay on that for

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for a moment there because that's pretty

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controversial statement so you you call

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it a a military lab this is the one that

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everybody is talking about though yeah

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there's just a different lab than than

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most people have been talking about as

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far as a wuhan lab because i understand

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there's lots of labs on muhan has a

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whole bunch of labs it has the lab

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everybody's talked about the virology

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lab the reason they've talked about it

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is that a horseshoe bat

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was in that lab in 2015 and we know that

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the covid virus is most closely related

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in the world to a virus extracted and in

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that lab in wuhan there is a second lab

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in wuhan 2.8 miles away that is the

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wuhan military virology lab its job is

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to weaponize viruses it is one of 14

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such labs identified by the united

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states government in china it works

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closely with the wuhan lab

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i'm going to take just a second

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to tell you a story if i can okay and

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when i was a little kid in not that

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little but in 1977 i got really sick

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with the flu

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it was called the 1977 flu it went all

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over the earth

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and

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the thing that perplexed everybody about

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the 1977 flu

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was it was exactly the same virus as the

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1955 flu which was called the china flu

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then a virus can't stay exactly the same

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this is like gem

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of

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doesn't happen people mutate viruses

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mutate and change

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and so when the 77 virus appeared they

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said wait a second somebody must have

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kept this virus in a laboratory somebody

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preserved this virus because it is

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exactly the same as the 55 virus

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chinese said we have no idea what you're

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talking about we don't know anything in

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1994

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the head of the virology program in

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china

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his name is in the book and the sources

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were in the book said oh yeah the 1977

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virus yeah we preserved the 55 virus

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okay and we were trying to work on a

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vaccine using our military to develop a

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vaccine for that virus and it just got

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away from us i'm sorry during the

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vaccine test it just escaped

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now

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ponder that for just a second first that

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there was a leak it went all over the

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world it killed millions of people

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second why would you be doing military

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tests

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with a with a virus

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of course for bioware for to develop a

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vaccine to a debilitating agent

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understand that the virus exists only in

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your lab nowhere else in the world

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so exactly the same things happened

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before i personally think

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that it was likely they were developing

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a vaccine and in the course of the

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vaccine this bug which is asymptomatic

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this virus just escaped i don't think

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they meant for two

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i think that's how cobit 19 occurred i

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also think

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it was the first synthetic virus that's

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ever affected mankind

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all the other viruses we've ever dealt

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with were natural viruses this virus

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is

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three and a half percent different than

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any other than the virus that comes out

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of the horseshoe bath

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and we've had you know like a

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hunt for they used to call them a shy

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the hunt for the non-existent

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animal

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for the past three years and no one has

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ever found the coven 19 virus

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in nature it doesn't exist

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so from that

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and a great deal of other evidence in my

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book the dancer and the devil

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i uh deduce and believe

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that it was leaked out of the wuhan

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military lab where it was created

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so

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your primary evidence is the fact that

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it's not fat has not been found anywhere

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else

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and therefore it must have been

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essentially man-made

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well that's my evidence for the fact

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it's man-made that it doesn't exist in

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nature my evidence for the fact that it

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came from the wuhan lab is it appeared

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on the doorsteps of the wuhan lab i

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think you and i know recipes the locator

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the thing speaks well right

402
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i guess the second thing i'd say is they

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destroyed all the records the

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contemporaneous records of infections

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and muhammad the very first thing they

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did in november and december and january

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of 19 2019 2020 was destroy every single

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record the whistleblower who revealed it

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to the world he supposedly died of the

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covet virus now

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look people 36 years old only die of the

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covet virus

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one and a half percent of the time

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somehow he suddenly dies as do all the

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other people who essentially deal with

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it in the early stages

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um you you know i've tried a lot of

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cases i tried that case anytime in front

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of any jury in the world i'd win it

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every single time i would never lose

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that case

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so

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if that's the case walk us through the

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state of chinese vaccines against this

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virus that you say that they created and

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they created it at the same time they

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were also creating vaccines

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to prevent against it because the idea

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would be

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have a vaccine for our people but not

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for the enemy right right

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understand

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i don't think that they intended for it

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to get out i think it was imperfect at

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the time it just got out the problem

436
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with this uh covet 19 is it's

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asymptomatic you can look like you don't

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have it anymore and still communicate it

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to other people

440
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they probably didn't know that but in

441
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fact the vaccines are powerful evidence

442
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of what they were doing

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it took our pharmaceutical industry from

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the time this became known in december

445
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of 2019

446
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until january um

447
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2021

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a period of about 13 months to develop

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any vaccine

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the chinese army was being vaccinated by

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may within four months of the of the

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outbreak of this stuff they had a

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vaccine it was a crummy vaccine but it

454
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was the vaccine they were vaccinating

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their own army and the army unit that

456
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they happen to move in it of course is a

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bio-war unit that was the unit that was

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actually that they moved into wuhan well

459
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that certainly does look suspicious

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that that like you said that uh suddenly

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you're

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the the things released and the next

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thing you know they're already

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vaccinating people they are

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bad vaccine you know it still is a bad

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vaccine um which is why they're having

467
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you know terrible problems today in

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shanghai

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and uh you know i guess in pecan too

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maybe

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yeah well is that still the same vaccine

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that they're using

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um they've changed their vaccine from

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time to modified their vaccine

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as the as the covet virus is mutated of

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course the

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another terrible thing about this virus

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is it's mutating

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you know in ways that we really haven't

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encountered before

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in every other virus we've run into it's

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always been the same pattern which is

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you start off with a fairly deadly virus

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not very communicable it becomes more

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and more communicable and less and less

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deadly

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this virus is mutated over and over

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where the vaccines we've developed won't

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work against the new mutation

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and

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that's that's very unusual really

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um

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and i've been articulating a very

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simplistic analysis tell me if this

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doesn't make any sense but i i just say

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so i i got it um

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[Music]

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about a year and a half ago and um very

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light symptoms it was basically like

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having a cold wouldn't have even known

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that i had it except then i lost smell

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and taste and i lost it you know pretty

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significantly zero smell

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lost 70 percent of taste and it lasted

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for a few weeks and and just from my

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layman's perspective like this is not

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like anything i've ever heard of before

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i mean how is it that i've lost smelt

509
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and taste of all things and it happened

510
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two days after i recovered from my mild

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cold this thing's got to be man-made

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does that is that make any sense that's

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it uh it you're dealing with the first

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you know

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look we saw the first people go to the

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moon right well we were seeing the first

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man-made virus that's ever affected

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mankind and that's sad uh because we it

519
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makes it hard to treat it and means that

520
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we don't know as much about it as we

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would if it were natural and

522
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you you two you tend to agree with me

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that that those bizarre symptoms

524
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point to you to something other than a

525
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naturally mutated virus that and plus

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the uh

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the ability to carry and communicate it

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a asymptomatically

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you can have people that actually have

530
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absolutely no symptoms and they can

531
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communicate it to other people how

532
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unique you're saying that's a very

533
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unique feature of a virus very unusual

534
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um those are both very unusual and uh so

535
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yeah there's a tremendous amount about

536
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this virus that's that's that's unusual

537
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so

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high-level officials in the u.s

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government

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they presumably know all of what you've

541
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just said and presumably

542
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if they have full access this

543
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information which i assume they do they

544
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they should share your opinion

545
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well it's sad uh jim

546
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they when you look at the and i'm not

547
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trying to criticize farsi and my

548
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criticism is of china who created the

549
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virus but when you look at them they

550
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actually discussed what are we going to

551
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do in february and the emails say hey

552
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wait this is pretty bad if people learn

553
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,600
about this well they'll become

554
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anti-science they'll become you know

555
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they'll hate science they'll hate

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experimentation

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well i mean science you and i know it's

558
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the search for truth it's not trying to

559
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hide from the truth and to some degree

560
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unfortunately that's what we've done

561
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we've hidden from the truth

562
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,320
the original

563
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,200
medical journal articles were put out by

564
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,440
people who were very closely tied to the

565
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:56,960
chinese government

566
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,320
and they were hardly neutral researchers

567
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,919
in any way

568
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,080
the eight who investigation that

569
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,159
occurred was only of researchers that

570
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,760
china had approved

571
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,360
and they weren't given any of the early

572
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,120
forensic records and they were only

573
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,080
allowed to question people in china

574
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,640
understand if you're in china and you

575
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,400
you provide a no where you should

576
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,000
provide a yes

577
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,799
there's just no gem anymore after you

578
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,200
know a week or two

579
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,840
so the u.s

580
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,400
uh intelligence says absolutely there

581
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,640
are chinese bio-weapon labs is that

582
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,120
correct yes uh there's a list of them in

583
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,520
our book there's an appendix we included

584
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,280
the actual uh

585
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:41,600
list of where the bio weapons facilities

586
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:42,480
are

587
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,000
uh as as uh revealed by u.s intelligence

588
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,080
the u.s state department but what's

589
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,440
interesting is

590
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,159
you have the fouchy types who are mostly

591
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,559
still wanting to point to a wet market

592
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,679
leak

593
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,960
which you're saying is really kind of

594
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,559
absurd if you look at

595
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,960
the virus that clearly it's man-made in

596
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,039
your opinion and then you have others

597
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,880
that say that well yeah maybe they were

598
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,960
experimenting with viruses to find

599
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,559
vaccines and so on and accidentally

600
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,640
leaked out which sounds relatively

601
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,799
innocent but still a lot of people don't

602
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,480
want to acknowledge

603
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,720
that possibility but you're taking it

604
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,960
one whole other level that this was an

605
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,080
actual

606
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,799
bio weapon being developed at a bio

607
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:24,080
weapons

608
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,120
lab

609
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,799
and you don't hear anybody in the u.s

610
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,039
government talking about that well uh

611
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,039
actually there was a release out of the

612
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:33,280
state department it's also an appendix

613
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,400
to our book

614
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:37,120
and they specifically point to the uh

615
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,120
cooperation between the lab at wuhan the

616
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,280
one that everybody talks about and the

617
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,400
military lab on military projects the

618
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:48,880
only military projects on viruses are

619
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,919
bioweapons i don't know of any others

620
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,320
but we're kind of in denial the soviet

621
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,480
army i mean the russian army right now

622
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,280
spends one day out of every five on bio

623
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,120
weapons that's what they do one day out

624
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:04,320
of every five they in hazmat suits and

625
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,000
so on um in 2012

626
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,000
in the presidential debate

627
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,520
uh

628
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,480
putin was somebody said that his

629
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,000
opponent said well you haven't done a

630
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,080
good job with the russian army they're

631
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,640
not up to speed and putin said that's

632
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,080
because you don't know about our

633
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,480
genetics weapons i mean that's what he

634
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,520
said

635
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,880
um so

636
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,880
it doesn't take you know

637
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,559
you can look in their instance for

638
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:33,520
example in siberia three years ago they

639
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,640
had a an outbreak of ebola now ebola is

640
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,679
a tropical disease how did it get to

641
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,760
siberia well i i know how it got to the

642
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,799
urals in siberia the same way that uh

643
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,240
that terrible

644
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,880
deal occurred in cottonburg

645
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,799
there's a very good book written by a

646
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:54,000
defector named uh kenneth albeck who

647
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,200
defected

648
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,720
circa 1999 on this on the

649
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,120
project on the russian projects which

650
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:02,840
are called project

651
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,039
enzyme pre putin and pre yeltsin

652
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,039
russia was spending more money

653
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,039
on bioweapons projects than it was

654
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,360
spending on nuclear weapons it had 60

655
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,039
000 scientists

656
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,120
and engineers working on bioweapons in

657
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,799
the soviet union according to kenneth

658
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,360
alba the number two guy in the in the

659
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,480
project

660
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,520
um

661
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:24,559
it's a

662
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,480
in this sense if if i launch a nuclear

663
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,559
weapon and i'm putin everybody's going

664
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,200
to hit me with a nuclear weapon too

665
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,559
but

666
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,360
tim if somebody coughs out in kansas

667
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:42,320
and you lose 70 million people

668
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,200
from

669
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,760
smallpox

670
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,919
you know you say gee it's unfortunate

671
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,840
that you guys haven't been immunizing

672
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,760
anybody for smallpox we started

673
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,799
immunizing people five years ago in in

674
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,520
russia for smallpox it's very difficult

675
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,320
to trace it so special weapons as putin

676
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,880
points out they're untraceable and

677
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,880
they're they're a device to escape the

678
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,960
nuclear stalemate that's how both the

679
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,440
chinese and the russians look at them

680
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,080
and i presume you would say the us does

681
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:15,200
not have such weapons we don't have them

682
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,200
we have a we have a a at fort meade

683
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:22,159
is our limited uh defense against we we

684
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,440
did have them

685
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:26,320
but in 1972 we signed the bioweapons

686
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,240
convention bwc and we got rid of all all

687
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,640
offensive weapons unfortunately we got

688
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,200
rid of most of our defenses too so our

689
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,600
only defenses are at fort meade our only

690
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,400
studies at fort b and there they've been

691
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,039
obviously sadly inadequate

692
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,919
i mean our whole country was brought

693
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,039
you know

694
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,080
to its knees by covid19 which is only a

695
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,559
debilitating disease you can imagine

696
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,200
what smallpox or what a terrible

697
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,799
disease like that would do to our

698
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,120
country well and that takes us back to

699
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,400
you know the ukraine labs and

700
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,120
didn't the u.s want to study

701
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,320
what was in

702
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,640
these soviet weapons labs

703
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,039
i have no doubt we would have wanted to

704
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,679
um and i don't i don't have any insights

705
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,600
into how we went about

706
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,320
looking at it i know that we allocated

707
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:20,000
money to clean them out

708
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,720
to both russia and to and to the ukraine

709
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,400
and i know that in the ukraine it was

710
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,320
used to clean them out i know that in

711
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,720
russia it was initially used that way i

712
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,720
know that the programs were according to

713
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,880
albeck and others were all reinstituted

714
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,799
as soon as putin became the prime

715
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:38,880
minister in 2000.

716
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,240
so whether we also studied them or not

717
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,720
you're not sure but you would certainly

718
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,880
say that it would not still be going on

719
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,760
today

720
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,360
your best information is those labs are

721
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,520
long gone they're long gone i wish we'd

722
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,600
studied them i wish we'd studied them a

723
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,840
whole lot more than we apparently did

724
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,480
um and i hope we study them now deeply

725
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:00,400
because i think they posed a tremendous

726
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,679
threat jim to the to the world

727
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,520
so

728
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,520
theoretically we could have a change of

729
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,720
administrations here in in three years

730
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,960
could be trump back in

731
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,840
and this information might

732
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,840
make uh the light of day a bit more than

733
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:20,000
it is now and then the us is going to be

734
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,279
faced with

735
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,960
what do we do

736
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,360
with china in light of

737
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,039
what happened with covet

738
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,200
you know i hope it's not a i really

739
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,960
deeply hope it's not a republican

740
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,440
democratic thing i mean i even hope it's

741
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,440
not an american russian thing it's sort

742
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,520
of a human being thing

743
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:40,000
when you can when you begin developing

744
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,200
viruses

745
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,600
that can kill people and spread you know

746
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,120
through mankind

747
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:47,120
you're you're really talking about an

748
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,840
existential threat to man himself

749
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,799
uh

750
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,480
the chinese

751
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,559
in china played with fire the world is

752
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,799
sort of burning as my book says

753
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,320
that shouldn't be a

754
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,080
good thing for the republicans or a good

755
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,679
thing for the democrats that should be

756
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,600
something that alarms all of us it seems

757
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,480
to me

758
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,520
and whatever administration uh reckons

759
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,480
with this

760
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,000
what should it do

761
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
in response to this well first we've got

762
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,640
to expose it we've got to expose those

763
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,799
bile labs in china and we've got to

764
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,440
expose the biolabs in russia and we have

765
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,200
defectors we've had two out of the

766
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:23,120
chinese labs according to the state

767
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:24,240
department

768
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,039
deal

769
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,279
and we've had defectors out of russia so

770
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,600
we have to expose to the world exactly

771
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,039
what is happening

772
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,640
um then it seems to me we've got to

773
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:35,440
really get ready i mean look

774
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,399
heck we

775
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,240
you know think of how pitifully we were

776
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,720
ready for covet 19 which was a

777
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,799
debilitating disease supposedly we were

778
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,399
still you know spending

779
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,240
2 billion dollars a year but we were

780
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,640
completely unprepared

781
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,640
biological weapons in the future

782
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,440
represent as much of a threat to us as

783
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,039
nuclear weapons do

784
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,200
and we actually need to get our best

785
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,279
minds our greatest doctors our best

786
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,360
people to actually study this and get

787
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,120
prepared what does the united states do

788
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,480
if smallpox breaks out and we have a

789
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,000
civilization right now that's not

790
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,279
immunized why don't we have stocks of

791
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,039
you know uh

792
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,760
of vaccines prepared

793
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,240
there are all kinds of things we can do

794
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,399
well and i'd like to get into that a

795
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,159
little bit because we've spent so much

796
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,559
money and where has it gone but let's

797
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,960
start with deterrence

798
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,440
how do we is it certainly our response

799
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,640
to kovid

800
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,919
isn't going to deter anything in the

801
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,600
future because we haven't done anything

802
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,600
to china we if anything we've helped

803
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:38,240
cover it up if anybody dares to suggest

804
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,840
it came from a lab it's asian hate so

805
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:44,159
china's off scot-free so if anybody if

806
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,520
russia or china's looking at this and

807
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,880
looking at what the u.s is going to do

808
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,240
in the future

809
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,320
they shouldn't be very worried so what

810
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:52,559
do we need to do to deter it to begin

811
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:53,520
with

812
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,960
well uh first of all my opinion is that

813
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,480
both qi

814
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:00,399
and

815
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,799
the russians at least the current

816
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,120
russians with putin are a tremendous

817
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,360
threat to world peace and i think that

818
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,120
they're they're stalling us

819
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,720
they're dying the wall and i think we

820
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,559
need to start off recognizing that

821
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,399
that's exactly what we're dealing with

822
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:18,480
i'm sorry did you say fauci

823
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,470
uh but putin and she are uh

824
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,559
you know are they're very dangerous uh

825
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,880
people they're they're driven by

826
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,919
by marxism essentially they they view

827
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:46,159
human beings as just material objects to

828
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,600
be used and they're

829
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,440
they're their values are very very

830
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,919
different than ours and uh

831
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,600
they uh

832
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,360
you know they'll they're

833
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,279
willing to extract a cost in human lives

834
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:02,159
that would be unthinkable for us so you

835
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,960
can

836
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,519
you look right now to ukraine at miropol

837
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,159
but 20 000 civilians killed in maripol

838
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,720
so far estimated i mean those are tens

839
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,720
of thousands of people that that guy has

840
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,000
killed putin for what why to liberate

841
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,480
people that don't want to be liberated

842
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,799
i mean that desperately want to be free

843
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
and want to be left alone

844
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,600
you have exactly the same thing in china

845
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:27,200
so we're living in a

846
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,080
in a

847
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,799
bitterly divided world a very dangerous

848
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,480
world and the recognition of it is the

849
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,159
very first thing to do

850
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,240
we've got to start a big bioweapons

851
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,120
defensive program in the united states

852
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,080
including the stocking of vaccines and

853
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880
actual better detection programs we

854
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,559
don't even know how to wine earth we

855
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,720
didn't know how to treat this earlier i

856
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,120
have no idea we were sticking people in

857
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,880
ventilators which killed them instead of

858
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,640
giving them you know oxygen through

859
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,080
concentrators

860
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,799
um so we've kind of got to get our act

861
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:01,360
together a little better than we have

862
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,679
um using our very best people to do it

863
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,240
but if we don't take any

864
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,559
retaliatory action toward

865
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,640
china any punitive response for what

866
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,279
they did then that's not setting up

867
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,960
deterrence very well for the future

868
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,760
isn't

869
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,279
the best thing to deter

870
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,279
something similar happening is to show

871
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,960
them what we're going to do the last

872
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:23,679
time

873
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,559
absolutely i would uh i would

874
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:29,279
adopt trade serious trade sanctions on

875
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,320
china

876
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,799
i would uh as quickly as possible throw

877
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:35,440
large tariffs on china and and detach

878
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,559
our economy from the chinese economy

879
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,039
um and i would do that as rapidly as i

880
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:42,480
possibly can

881
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,080
could until there's a change of of uh

882
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,480
you know of administrations in china i

883
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,640
represented china many years ago in

884
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:52,320
their first litigation in the united

885
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,279
states in the early 1980s in 1988

886
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,600
the they killed the kids in tiananmen

887
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:02,000
square and that was a sea change once

888
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,200
that happened

889
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,039
china changed from a country that was

890
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,120
becoming solely a

891
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,640
really a country you could be proud of

892
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,440
and be a friend with into back into its

893
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,320
marxist malice past has continued to go

894
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,720
downhill that way ever since 1989 at

895
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,240
tiananmen square

896
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,880
um these are not these are not our

897
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,000
friends these are very dangerous people

898
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,840
she's motto

899
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:28,480
which was also mao's motto which comes

900
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,240
in turn from the ming dynasty is a smile

901
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,159
fill your mouth with honey and hold a

902
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,000
knife next to your heart

903
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,480
and unlike for example trump who is

904
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,880
announcing something every three seconds

905
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,600
she smiles quietly and then he uh

906
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,360
you know he takes action

907
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,000
that is uh terribly detrimental as the

908
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,000
book points out

909
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,399
okay so we need to get much tougher with

910
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:54,799
china and specifically

911
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,000
in response to the coveted leak or even

912
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,159
if you don't want to say that we have to

913
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,159
prove that that leak happened

914
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,760
you're saying intelligence already

915
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,320
saying there's many bio weapons labs in

916
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,560
china there ought to be sanctions

917
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:10,639
simply for for that alone

918
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,240
in 2005 china provided bio weapons to

919
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,320
iraq i mean to iran

920
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,079
and that's covered in the book and

921
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,760
that's how we learned about the chinese

922
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,839
bio weapons facilities as nearly as i

923
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,879
can tell

924
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,040
and so we when we threaten sanctions

925
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,040
they stop providing

926
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,000
bioweapons to iran um

927
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,480
yeah i think that sanctions are a start

928
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,200
of course i i believe that we should arm

929
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,679
you know taiwan so that they can defend

930
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:40,399
themselves we should coordinate with our

931
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,359
our

932
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,560
allies like japan and uh south korea

933
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,040
australia in the pacific and we should

934
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,800
get ready to defend the pacific

935
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,960
perimeter

936
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,520
and what should we be doing in ukraine

937
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,760
in your opinion is uh have we done

938
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,160
enough and is this

939
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,800
wha what are the u.s national interests

940
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,720
in protecting ukraine

941
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,240
well i think we made a tremendous

942
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,599
mistake in cutting off for a year

943
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,119
the supply of

944
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,079
javelin missiles into the ukraine we

945
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:13,920
renewed them again just before the

946
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,800
russian attack we had delivered 350 of

947
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,520
them apparently before

948
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,720
the biden administration took office

949
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,960
they took the position that look if we

950
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,680
provide them that'll be a provocation

951
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,359
to putin that was a terrible

952
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,280
miscalculation

953
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,839
putin for a long long time has had in

954
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:36,000
mind seizing the ukraine in a great deal

955
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,359
else

956
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,280
having made that mistake i would arm the

957
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,400
ukraine as fully as i could

958
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,320
the biggest problem that the ukraine has

959
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,720
now are is its cities being reduced to

960
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:49,040
ashes by russian artillery

961
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:50,160
i would

962
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,640
of our best drones that they would be

963
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,040
like mosquitoes blowing the russians

964
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,520
away every time those russian artillery

965
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,359
units got started

966
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,480
and to be clear why would you be

967
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,040
so aggressively helping ukraine defend

968
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,920
itself because i think it's our fight i

969
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,000
i don't we're not alive with them i'm

970
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,400
not in favor of sending kids to die in

971
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,680
the ukraine

972
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,240
but look our country stands for human

973
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,240
freedom those are people bravely

974
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,880
fighting for their freedom for their own

975
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:24,880
country the reason they're fighting so

976
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:28,000
bravely as you know is they've done this

977
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,119
before

978
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,520
they were conquered by the russians in

979
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,640
the nineteen

980
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,680
teens

981
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,359
they lost somewhere between four and

982
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,920
eight million people in the 1930s to

983
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,599
stalin

984
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,520
putin's grandfather

985
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,680
was stalin's cook his father was an

986
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,839
exterminator in the ukraine during world

987
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:47,040
war ii

988
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,240
and so

989
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,520
they've seen it all before and they

990
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,599
don't want to be enslaved again

991
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,520
and so i would be willing to do anything

992
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,520
for them except send american troops

993
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,359
there

994
00:37:01,160 --> 00:36:58,560
and

995
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:01,170
you also are it's not just a um

996
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,480
[Music]

997
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,599
supporting

998
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,359
freedom and independence and so on you

999
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,880
also think there's geopolitical

1000
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,119
strategic reasons we should be concerned

1001
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:11,920
about russia taking over ukraine

1002
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,119
yes i think that uh i think that the

1003
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,200
withdrawal out of afghanistan was a

1004
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,920
disaster for the credibility of american

1005
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,359
foreign policy

1006
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,400
it was

1007
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,640
incredibly demoralizing for people in

1008
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,880
the military of whom i have a number of

1009
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,680
relatives it was horrifying to sit in

1010
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,800
kabul

1011
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,960
and see people presenting little babies

1012
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,880
and you couldn't help them right and

1013
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,720
then to do a bailout

1014
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,440
um and leaving them behind uh i think

1015
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,160
that was terribly debilitating i think

1016
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:44,880
that if we allow uh putin to crush the

1017
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,320
ukraine a free country the ukraine that

1018
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,000
although not our allies at least have

1019
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,079
been our friends i think would make a

1020
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,880
terrible mistake i think that we go back

1021
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:55,680
to

1022
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,240
czechoslovakia austria the sequence

1023
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,880
ryland austria czechoslovakia and

1024
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,280
finally poland

1025
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,800
yeah one of the lessons from world war

1026
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,359
ii seems to be when you've got a tyrant

1027
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,520
who's got territorial ambitions and is

1028
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,079
invading sovereign neighbors you kind of

1029
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,680
nip that in the bud sooner rather than

1030
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,040
later well he becomes a hero otherwise

1031
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,960
uh putin conquering the ukraine and

1032
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:23,359
marching through kiev you know

1033
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,040
and so on becomes a he is like hitler

1034
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,440
a normal people somehow think that this

1035
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,280
uh

1036
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,760
i guess gorky described it best of all

1037
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,079
work he was describing stalin once upon

1038
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:39,119
a time in his diary and he said stalin

1039
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,480
is a flea

1040
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,280
magnified by propaganda into a fearsome

1041
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,760
creature well that's who putin is putin

1042
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:47,760
is a flea and if you allow him to be

1043
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,480
magnified by a victory in the ukraine he

1044
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,280
will become a truly fearsome creature

1045
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,119
let's talk a little bit about putin and

1046
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,800
stalin because i i think you you're

1047
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,839
making the point that

1048
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,599
uh putin is stalin

1049
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,160
that he idolizes stalin and that in fact

1050
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,400
even i'm i've been hearing that stalin

1051
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,720
is having some reemergence in in russia

1052
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,000
as far as

1053
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,520
people starting to

1054
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,200
rethink him as a as a great leader

1055
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,359
he's on the side of buses in russia

1056
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,880
right now in moscow

1057
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,200
they put him on the side of buses stalin

1058
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,200
i mean putin has said over and over

1059
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,599
again stalin is a great man who's just

1060
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,920
been misunderstood he got a little bit

1061
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,079
of bad advice from bad subordinates but

1062
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,880
basically he was a wonderful man as i

1063
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,920
said

1064
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,480
putin's career is closely tied to stalin

1065
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,560
his grandfather his father

1066
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,119
both both tied up with stalin and the

1067
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,880
kgb he said chip off the old kgb block

1068
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,680
um

1069
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,640
i mean that's who putin actually is

1070
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,880
he mourns the loss of the

1071
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:52,720
soviet union

1072
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,599
he told the patriarchs in the

1073
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,480
russian orthodox church which is

1074
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,960
a classic state church not a church like

1075
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,400
you and i would think of he told them

1076
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,640
that they should make lenin and stalin

1077
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:06,400
saints of the church

1078
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,760
you know lenin and stalin killed 175 000

1079
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,079
priests orthodox priests and their

1080
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,839
saints of the church

1081
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,640
um

1082
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,200
you know that's he's uh when he first

1083
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,880
was elected jim

1084
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,520
his mentor was a guy named slo slobock

1085
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,960
and sloblock had been the the mayor was

1086
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:27,280
the mayor of saint petersburg then

1087
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,480
leningrad

1088
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,760
and uh

1089
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,040
he was asked who is stalin

1090
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,720
and uh

1091
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,760
someone

1092
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,400
and uh slovak said

1093
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,520
uh i mean who is putin sloback said

1094
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,920
putin is the new stalin

1095
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,520
two days later

1096
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,520
he was dead

1097
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,200
with a heart attack and both of his

1098
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,440
bodyguards had simultaneous three

1099
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,520
simultaneous heart attacks

1100
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,040
that's putin

1101
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:57,839
putin is just as slovak said the new the

1102
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,440
new stalin and he's just as as slobox

1103
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,480
death shown a new poisoner

1104
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,119
and for the russian people

1105
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,839
they seem to be going along

1106
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,960
with this

1107
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,920
i don't know i was looking at uh

1108
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,000
of course thousands and thousands of

1109
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,359
demonstrators in russia are rotting in

1110
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,599
some ghouling and we know what they

1111
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,079
think because they were protesting until

1112
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,160
they were picked up by the secret police

1113
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:28,319
and and taken away and by the way it's

1114
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,359
your understanding they have not been

1115
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,119
released yet

1116
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,960
some have not been released no question

1117
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,960
some have disappeared there any number

1118
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,280
of people in both china and russia that

1119
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,800
get picked up and they're never found

1120
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,680
again they never appear again the

1121
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,640
there's in china for example

1122
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,200
a pastor named wang yi had an entire

1123
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,599
church called the early reign church

1124
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,880
there were 82 different parishioners

1125
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,400
that were picked up who have just

1126
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,160
disappeared nobody knows what ever

1127
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,079
happened to them they're gone

1128
00:42:04,150 --> 00:41:59,920
they're probably somebody else's kidney

1129
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,160
the way organs are harvested in china

1130
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,240
in terms of russia yeah there are any

1131
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,839
number of people

1132
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,480
the most famous of the people who are

1133
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,720
imprisoned right now is navalny navalny

1134
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,520
was

1135
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,720
the primary electoral opponent to

1136
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,119
putin he was poisoned

1137
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,839
with novichok which is a

1138
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,520
soviet defense

1139
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,119
poison

1140
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,359
he almost died he was taken to germany

1141
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,280
and he was secure he was treated

1142
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,839
actually survived bravely went back to

1143
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,520
russia he was immediately arrested in

1144
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:37,920
russia for violating his parole

1145
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,720
by going to germany to be cured and he's

1146
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,640
in a he's now been given up 15

1147
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,440
additional years so he's in for a term

1148
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,599
of 17 years an effective death sentence

1149
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,839
for opposing uh putin

1150
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,079
um yeah there are any number who have

1151
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,680
just disappeared

1152
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,720
yeah

1153
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,920
um my guest last week said that she

1154
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,880
considers putin's to be very safe in his

1155
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,920
positions that you know hope for

1156
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,640
some type of ouster is

1157
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,400
not likely to happen and we're likely to

1158
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,400
be looking at putin in that position for

1159
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,400
decades to come

1160
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:13,760
you know that's what they said about

1161
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:18,240
stalin in 1953 stalin was

1162
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:19,280
planning

1163
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,240
you know of course in russia seven

1164
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,119
different uh oligopoles have supposedly

1165
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:32,319
committed suicide in the last two weeks

1166
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,839
the last one uh you know was in spain

1167
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,280
i'm sorry say that again we're talking

1168
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,680
about present day the present day in the

1169
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,599
last two weeks

1170
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,480
seven different oligarchs seven of them

1171
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,720
have committed suicide in russia

1172
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,359
high-ranking wealthy people

1173
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:51,040
i didn't i didn't i wasn't aware of that

1174
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,480
well in spain

1175
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:53,599
um

1176
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,480
their in their oil company

1177
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,760
was found in his villa in spain

1178
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,720
he was hung and his wife and child were

1179
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:06,400
chopped to pieces

1180
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,319
near him the knife and the axe had been

1181
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,839
wiped clean

1182
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,480
and they claimed waited to suicide

1183
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,240
strange suicide

1184
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,880
and very coincidental suicide so he he's

1185
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,480
got problems and he knows he has

1186
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,720
problems that's why he sits so far from

1187
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:23,920
everybody

1188
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,480
but he should take lesson from stalin

1189
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,200
and stalin was 53

1190
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,760
was planning a uh likely planning a

1191
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,240
nuclear attack on the west ultimately

1192
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,560
but planning initially immediately a

1193
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,680
purge

1194
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,200
and so

1195
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,240
beria his number two guy poisoned stalin

1196
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,680
with waffran

1197
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,839
understands stalin's got tasters one of

1198
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,400
them was putin's father and he's got to

1199
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,720
be surrounded by guards wafferin

1200
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,200
is the deal we use for rat poison it's a

1201
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,520
blood thinner and so they

1202
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,599
fed

1203
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,079
stolen blood thinner and he bled to

1204
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,160
death how do we know that well we know

1205
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,520
that because

1206
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,680
molotov's autobiography says so

1207
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,920
khrushchev's autobiography says so and

1208
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,400
barriott confessed to killing it at his

1209
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,920
own trial

1210
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,400
when solomon was unconscious and so on

1211
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,000
barry had brought in the doctors you

1212
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,079
know what they did jim they applied

1213
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,920
leeches now that really helps a guy

1214
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:21,520
who's bleeding to death in his stomach

1215
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,480
doesn't it

1216
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,720
and and then stalin

1217
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:26,960
died in front of his daughter's fit lana

1218
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,680
and svetlana described how he died he

1219
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,680
sat there waving his arms screaming like

1220
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,440
the angel of death was coming to pick

1221
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,480
him up

1222
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,240
so if you ask me putin looks a little

1223
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,240
nervous these days and i wouldn't think

1224
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:41,119
he was sitting quite so secure

1225
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,920
and

1226
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,960
if if he has security it's i mean he's

1227
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,040
surrounded half the people around him

1228
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,599
hate him uh you know as do a large

1229
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,760
number of the people in russia he's got

1230
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,599
any number of people in prison that

1231
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,440
isn't because you know he's a democratic

1232
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,400
ruler

1233
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,880
um he's i guess he has to sleep at night

1234
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,319
knowing about the thousands and

1235
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:01,839
thousands of people he's killed in the

1236
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:06,710
what do you make of his what appears to

1237
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,480
be a major miscalculation in ukraine i i

1238
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,400
don't know what he thought was going to

1239
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,800
happen there that they were going to be

1240
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,200
welcome as liberators but

1241
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,319
clearly there's no support for

1242
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,480
in ukraine to become a client state of

1243
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,599
russia

1244
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,640
amazing hubris is an amazing thing isn't

1245
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,119
it uh and i guess if you're an absolute

1246
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,599
dictator you never have anybody to say

1247
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,319
no or you're wrong and that seems to be

1248
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,160
what has happened to him

1249
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,880
of course he denies any miscalculation

1250
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,119
says the whole deal is on schedule

1251
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,280
you know and and uh

1252
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,880
of course he denies killing any

1253
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,720
civilians in maripo

1254
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,520
you know or the all those bodies in buka

1255
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:51,280
you know that were on the on the road

1256
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,160
into

1257
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,119
ikea whom he claims were all planted

1258
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,599
by the ukrainians um

1259
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,720
you know so

1260
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,400
there doesn't seem to be any truth to a

1261
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,920
guy like uh

1262
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:03,920
like putin no he's made a tremendous

1263
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,960
miscalculation i think in the ukraine um

1264
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,800
the question is what will he do to

1265
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,280
correct it will he continue with this

1266
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,760
madness or will he use biological or

1267
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,000
chemical warfare or will he actually go

1268
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,880
to you know tactical nuclear weapons i

1269
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:21,839
and the answer is we don't know for sure

1270
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,839
as to

1271
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,280
bioweapons when do you believe he has

1272
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:27,520
used them in the past when and where

1273
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,640
bioweapons um well he certainly used uh

1274
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:32,559
he certainly provided

1275
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,400
bioweapons to the uh iraqis to who's you

1276
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,640
know hussein regime

1277
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,160
um

1278
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,960
in terms of of his own use of bioweapons

1279
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,839
he hasn't used them as far as i know uh

1280
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,400
so far he hasn't used them they've

1281
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:51,200
leaked but i i have no knowledge that he

1282
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,880
has actually used them he has used

1283
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:55,200
poisons like nova jack

1284
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,480
polonium

1285
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,440
210 and so on to poison any a large

1286
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,880
number of people

1287
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,920
that

1288
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,440
he used

1289
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,880
effectively

1290
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,359
weapons prohibited

1291
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,240
by the biowarfare convention in

1292
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,680
the theater incident involving chechens

1293
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:15,599
in russia you remember the theater that

1294
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,839
was taken over by chechens roughly

1295
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,839
2011 um they gassed the theater they

1296
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,520
walked in and

1297
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,440
about half the people were dead that was

1298
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:27,839
the use of a lethal gas prohibited by

1299
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,599
the geneva convention since 1933

1300
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
um

1301
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,040
so that's what he's done but he hasn't

1302
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,680
cut loose biological weapons so far

1303
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,319
that as far as we know

1304
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,920
but no doubt he has them and the more

1305
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,760
desperate things become in ukraine the

1306
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,440
more likely he is to use them and

1307
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,800
presumably

1308
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,480
it would be more likely the nuclear as

1309
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:50,319
you point out because it's

1310
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,680
not as likely to get the retaliatory

1311
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,440
uh response

1312
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,520
well he's had a terrible problem in mary

1313
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,599
opal you know the little city which is

1314
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,720
right on the

1315
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,880
eastern border of the ukraine a

1316
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,800
wonderful little city

1317
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,760
and uh he you know it's a city of about

1318
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:09,359
a half million

1319
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:12,880
he went in with 28 000 troops it was

1320
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,839
defended essentially by

1321
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,119
2700 marines

1322
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,119
they fell back finally under a steel

1323
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,480
plant which is where they're still

1324
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,119
surviving right now they've reported

1325
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,960
that there were chemicals being sprayed

1326
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,680
on them the russians have denied using

1327
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,240
biological or chemical weapons and say

1328
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,359
that these were simply special weapons

1329
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,920
i'm not sure what a special weapon is i

1330
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,359
guess if i'm a marine and i'm

1331
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,880
underground and somebody's pouring

1332
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,559
something on me

1333
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,880
it's a distinction without a difference

1334
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,400
it's a special weapon for a special

1335
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,599
operation

1336
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,880
it's a special

1337
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,559
they say that they're going to

1338
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,800
they're going to gas them out like moles

1339
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,240
that's what uh

1340
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:55,440
that's what the the russians say

1341
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,319
well

1342
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,680
hopefully the u.s does what you're

1343
00:50:02,870 --> 00:49:59,839
suggesting which is do everything we can

1344
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,880
to to further arm uh ukraine and

1345
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,240
deal putin

1346
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,119
a major major defeat that keeps his tail

1347
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,880
between his legs for

1348
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,400
as long as possible

1349
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,000
well we've got to hope that we've got to

1350
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,480
hope and pray you know even just as

1351
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:17,119
human beings we'd have to do that absent

1352
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,920
the

1353
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,760
you know any political calculations but

1354
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,359
in fact it's very strongly in our own

1355
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,839
best interest it's a tremendous mistake

1356
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,440
to let tyrants

1357
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,480
overrun

1358
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,960
peoples who are trying to be free yeah

1359
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,400
well not to mention to bring it back to

1360
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,800
that nuclear arms deal the us was a

1361
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,880
signatory to that deal

1362
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,040
whereby ukraine voluntarily gave up

1363
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,359
nuclear weapons if they hadn't done that

1364
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,640
i don't think this invasion would have

1365
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,200
ever happened ukraine gives up the

1366
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,640
nuclear weapons in exchange for

1367
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,240
territorial integrity and everybody's

1368
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,599
going to respect their current borders

1369
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,440
including the us and russia

1370
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,559
exactly that was the 1994 agreement

1371
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,680
which

1372
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:55,040
seems to have been honored more in

1373
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,720
passing of course the russians

1374
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,079
immediately claim

1375
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,079
that they're no longer bound by it uh

1376
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,079
putin's not bound by anything

1377
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,559
and um the united states was you know

1378
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,480
initially was longer on rise than

1379
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,640
providing bullets as

1380
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,880
zlinsky said now we seem to be actually

1381
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,920
arming

1382
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,800
them

1383
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,119
hopefully with the best and most arms we

1384
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:17,040
can get to them as quickly as possible

1385
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,480
yeah but it sounds like you agree with

1386
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,079
me that we ought to be talking about

1387
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,400
that agreement more often as far as the

1388
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,880
u.s having an obligation here the u.s

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benefits from having fewer nations with

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nuclear weapons arguably so we were

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beneficiary of that agreement

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and now we need to

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live up to it

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if we don't live up to that if we really

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let them go under

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how long do you think it's going to be

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till the japanese get nuclear weapons or

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the australians or the india well the

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indians already have them or saudi

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arabia if you can't rely on the united

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states um and its treaty obligations

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while you arm yourself to the teeth and

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then you look at a world where everybody

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has nuclear weapons

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thank you again to john o'neill you can

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check out his book the dancer and the

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devil stalin pavlova and the road to the

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great pandemic wherever you buy your

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books

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and thank you to our producer michael

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parker thank you all for listening we'll

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be back soon with another episode of the

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thank you for listening to the hidden

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truth show with jim breslow

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